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maybe we can get Amnesty International to help…
local child abuse prevention groups don’t seem to care…
Posted 06 Apr 2009 at 00:10 ¶This is unrelated to the above, but does anyone know of a connection between “Independent Fundamental Baptist” churches and AT/AP? I understand that they believe in strict control of a child, use harsh “corrective” methods, believe in spanking, etc. I also understand that they support the idea of children being “con artists” and liars, etc. as AT/AP does, and urges “correction” for such behavior. If anyone knows about any connection between these church groups and AT/AP, I would appreciate hearing about it. (It is “Fundamental Baptist” not “Fundamentalist”, although, I think it is a fine line in the meaning – one that they, not others make.) Thanks to all.
Posted 09 Apr 2009 at 18:42 ¶I don’t think there are all that connected, though a lot of foster parents are poor and highly fundamental religionist (if that make sense)… a lot more are just poor looking for an easy check…
The particular RAD cult I was part of was actually very new age…. (one of the things that got me to question them from the start… but I was being told this was all that would help my son)
Posted 10 Apr 2009 at 18:05 ¶Nope, apparently from what I have been able to research, most of AT actually started with failed methods to treat autism… and they found this un-ending source of funding through targeting children who basically were property of the government with no one looking out for them…
or really desperate adoptive parents who’d do anything to fix their child … (who sometimes didn’t need fixing and other times may very well had some brain damage from prenatal drug exposure)
I don’t think there are all that connected, though a lot of foster parents are poor and highly fundamental religionist (if that make sense)… a lot more are just poor looking for an easy check…
The particular RAD cult I was part of was actually very new age…. (one of the things that got me to question them from the start… but I was being told this was all that would help my son)
Posted 10 Apr 2009 at 18:05 ¶Nope, apparently from what I have been able to research, most of AT actually started with failed methods to treat autism… and they found this un-ending source of funding through targeting children who basically were property of the government with no one looking out for them…
or really desperate adoptive parents who’d do anything to fix their child … (who sometimes didn’t need fixing and other times may very well had some brain damage from prenatal drug exposure)
Thanks Rinda. The situation I am aware of seems to indicate that the parents went from having their child in an AT/AP situation to that of an Independent Fundamental Baptist “Christian Academy”. My understanding is that such schools, like AT/AP are focused on total control of the child and such things as “will breaking”. I understand that the school program is a harsh and austere one that has little to do with actual education, but is more focused on obtaining total submission of the child and indoctrination into the church’s viewpoint. This church group is apparently known for “hell and damnation”/fire and brimstone” preaching and threats of eternal damnation, etc. if total obedience to the prescribed doctrine isn’t adhered to. They apparently use all of those “spare the rod and spoil the child” sort of scriptural references in support of harsh discipline and control:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:pIYHhAL4Q_IJ:www.wayoflife.org/files/a0911b1d861340c8edf0cdde8d327a5e-20.html+Independent+Fundamental+Baptist+discipline&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
I have reason to believe that in this situation, the switch from the AT/AP focus to that of the IFB Church, was done through something of an underground connection between the two. Like AT/AP, some have indicated that this church group can be cult like. I have also heard that Dr. Dobson’s group has some sort of connection to AT/AP. I would be interested in hearing more about any connections between AT and extreme religious groups, if such connections exist.
All of this seems to point to a real sense of insecurity, inability, and dependence on the part of adoptive parents who belong to these groups. They seem to turn the raising of their children over to quacks and kooks. It’s sad to think that some parents could feel so inept about their own abilities that they would do things like this!
Posted 11 Apr 2009 at 17:48 ¶I just learned this morning that the church associated with Sandra Cantu’s death is an Independent Fundamental Baptist one (IFB). Maybe it is just a coincidence, maybe …
Posted 15 Apr 2009 at 15:58 ¶I just found this blog and thought it was interesting that you were discussing Independent Fundamental Baptists and abuse. I was born and raised in this movement/religious sect and the child abuse/molestation is horrendous. Yes, the murder case in California revolves around one of these churches.
I run a website for abuse survivors called http://www.freedomfromabuse.net If you would like a bird’s-eye view of what some of these pastors are promoting in their churches you can scroll down the homepage until you reach the post called “Sermon Audio promotes Overt Illegal Activity.” Just read the sermon quotes and you will be horrified. Many survivors within this group are working to spread teh word about the abuses.
Posted 20 Apr 2009 at 06:50 ¶Freedom, thank you so much for your response and website reference. I checked out the site and it is very interesting and informative, indeed. I think it is interesting how with regard to both Attachment Therapy and the IFB, parents are colluding with the “therapists” or “pastors”. It seems to me that this is one of the largest reasons why these practices are so difficult to stop. When the parents actually seek these abusive practices out, participate in the abuse, and condone and protect those who perpetrate it, what can really be done to stop it?
I am also struck by the control freakish aspects of both groups, and their focuses on will breaking and the idea that the parents and group leaders are correct and that if they are challenged in any way by the child, the child is claimed to be a manipulative liar, etc. who needs to be given some sort of “treatment”. Both groups seem to never place any fault on the parent/adults involved and they shun any mainstream mental health concepts. Both groups also seem to be co-opting the basically benign idea of homeschooling for negative purposes, and advocate isolation from the mainstream culture. One group seems to use sham references to scripture to support abuse, while the other uses sham references to psychological research. I am not surprised at all that a parent could go from one of these practices to the other.
I wish that I could say more in detail here, but I just cannot in a public forum.
Thank you, again, for some very helpful and insightful info.
Posted 20 Apr 2009 at 16:08 ¶Child of Rage was on HBO in 1990 or so… It deplicted Nancy Thomas. This event alone I feel helped the AT movement a lot… the positive news coverage it gets helps it grow…on 20/20, etc.. the internet which sells the “only cure.”
Attachment therapy has exploded because it is supported by your tax money …
the vast majority of the people I have known who took there kid to AT were there on government money… I’d estimate 80-90% of the parents going there get it paid on adoption sub…
they even had something called Adoption Preservation in Virginia for years, and the only mental health they would pay for was attachment therapy…
it is preached, taught as the ONLY problem the children will have now… in foster parent/ adoptive parent training all across the country
ATers lie about their success… they offer to treat kids mainstream psychology will not (many times because the child has brain damage from pre-birth exposure to drugs,etc..) … they are good at milking money from funding sources..
but sure, who but a real creep would starve a kid to death.. etc.. Yep, I agree most of the parents who stick with it get off on controling someone like that…
but there are a whole group who end up there because the experts (public government run social services, child protective services, state welfare office) make them take the kids there…
It is legalized publicly funded child abuse…
Posted 20 Apr 2009 at 16:41 ¶Adoption perservation services was a state funded program in Virginia where anyone who adopted a child from anywhere and any situtation(step, foster, international, infant) if they got adoption sub (almost always just comes with kids from public USA foster care) or did not have a sub adoption… could go and get free mental health care to keep the adoptions strong…
ALL THEY WOULD PAY FOR WAS AT… it was all government money…
Posted 20 Apr 2009 at 16:43 ¶The site below looks like it was never completed, but I find it interesting that someone else seems to have made some kind of connection between attachment therapy and Independent Fundamental Baptists:
http://independentfundamentalbaptistdeception.com/ap.html
This is the closest connection that I have found (other than the situation that I am aware of), and it is a very slim and marginal one, but it does indicate that such a connection might indeed exist. It is odd, though, because all that I read about the IFB churches says that they would not go for any secular “expertise” that could be cited by attachment therapists, as they seem to prefer scriptural references exclusively, as a means to justify the abuse that they inflict on children.
Interesting too, the home site for this connection (Independent Fundamental Baptist Deception) seems to be run by someone, like Wayward, who was abused for years, is now speaking out, but wishes to remain anonymous for now.
Also, the fact that someone could send their child from AT to IFB says that this is all about abuse and nothing else. The IFB does not put forth any arguments about rage at birth mothers, “attachment issues” etc. I don’t see anything there that could inadvertently take in, and therefore offer some excuse to, naive, exasperated, or unwitting parents. They seem to just think that something like original sin gives rise to evil in children – evil that they seem to think needs to be driven out of the child, no matter how abusive the method. Whether it is AT couched in bogus psychological research or religious fundamentalism couched in bogus references to scripture, it is all just an attempt to justify the open abuse of children by very sick people. (I understand that many in this church group have been convicted of such things as child abuse and pedophilia.)
Posted 28 Apr 2009 at 22:16 ¶Eastern Sky and other readers:
I think you might like to go to the site:
baptistdeception.com
which is more fully a Wordpress site (just like this one). It seems to be run by the same person/entity.
And read especially Spiritual Abuse, Spanking and Mental Health (parts 3, 5 and 6).
Also there is DEBATE WITH BILL (http://www.baptistdeception.com/?p=149)
Warning: Debate with Bill will make you very hungry. And not necessarily for God’s Word!
and EXCHANGE WITH IKE
(http://www.baptistdeception.com/?p=157)
from where you might learn a little more about the mindset.
I think I will look up “Attachment therapy/Attachment parenting” on the Online Baptist website. http://www.onlinebaptist.com/messageboards/
Lurkers like you and I are not allowed in the family and relationships section, but I found some interesting resources in the homeschooling and the ’soulwinning’ section.
Posted 29 Apr 2009 at 07:33 ¶I just read the new “In His Own Words” section re ACT’s new website post on William Goble. Is this another Baptist connection? Southern Baptists aren’t Independent Fundamental Baptists, but there is some connection between them.
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